What’s Up Next Podcast: Episode 9
What’s Up Next?
Paul Thompson and I are proud to release of episode 9 of the The What’s Up Next Podcast. This podcast is an exploration of financial independence and taking the conversation to the next level. The show features panel discussions with top influencers in the financial independence space. Guests weigh in on questions that don’t have clear answers to refine your path to FI.
Episode 9
Is college worth it? Today we discuss the cost and quality of higher education with Physician on FIRE, Brad Barrett, and Wealth Well Done.
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Interesting podcast with a great panel.
I think some college degree is necessary if possible. You can teach yourself a lot of stuff like coding, Photoshop and excel but that kind of education has a lot of holes in it and what you learn might not be efficient. I can code but my code is at best functional and not professional and I’m slow because I spend a lot of time debugging. As to funding, I did it differently. I’m not sure why everyone goes to the 529. I put 20K for each kid in a UGTM at age 3 in Vanguard funds all stocks. By the 18-22 spend down the money had nearly quadrupled and we spent it down on a per semester basis over 4 years so each year the remainder still continued compounding. The spend down was much like an accelerated retirement. It is true at 18 the money becomes “theirs” but I just didn’t tell them about it, managed it and did their taxes for them. Took about 10 minutes per year. In fact you could load up $50K of BRK.B at age 2 and let it grow for 50 years and not tell them and at age 50 they would have a retirement. BRK.B throws off no dividends or interest so it’s dark as far as tax consequence until you sell it. $50K of BRK.B over 50 years at it’s current long term 11.7% ROI would be worth 12M. Can’t do that with a stupid 529. The net per year cost to me over the 20 year accumulation and payout was about $2K per year per kid. Starbucks kind of money.
The UGTM paid for housing food travel vacations electronics clothes and semester in Europe and was 75% interest (aka free money) by the time we cracked it. Tuition was covered by a state program I bought them at age 2 which guaranteed 120 hours of college including fees at any state college from the flagships on down. , so there was plenty of variety and possible specialization in terms of major. When my daughter graduated I used the last $15K to buy her an off lease Honda civic with 25K miles on it and a 3 year warranty so she was set to start her life. The piddly little extra interest you make in a 529 is worthless when it comes being able to buy your kid a car to start their life or 5 mos. in Europe. My net outlay for each kid was $42K in 21K installments over 2 years, so my net outlay was 84K over 4 years, and college was paid for. If I or we died, their education was paid for and my money wasn’t going to some insurance company to cover the “just in case”. I was my own insurance company. I became an MD and a multimillionaire on a state school education and had a blast to boot. I retired in the middle of their college years and the pre-planning meant college has/had very little impact on my retirement cash flow. One kid is still in school. My experience of the Ivy league crowd is they are quite full of themselves. Yet they’re all slavishly funding 529’s and insurance companies and feeling quite proud I’m sure.
I think you are one of the few I hear who did the prepaid option. Seems to have worked.
I have rarely found most schools teach you how to learn. Even though I have a BS in ecoonomics and an MBA – I never learned about money in school.
The idea of building a network at college was not clear to me when I went. In addition the schools really didn’t provide the network that would help me. I notice with my kids that social media allows them to build a network without college. I found it funny the mention of building your network in the first couple months of college which basically means it was based on proximity not intention.
The question is what skills make us economically viable? In the past a degree was a ticket to success but that is no longer the case. Many degreees seem to lead to a job at Starbucks. Many kids are coming out with massive debt that will cripple them going forward. I really enjoyed the comment about businesses never ask to see your degree to do business with them. As we switch to the gig economy that will be the norm.
Most kids don’t know how to start a task and solve problems because they have normally been told what to do and don’t have the chance to learn this skill of figuring things out.
We skipped the 529 game. By paying off the mortgage I can cash flow college but we instead told our kids if you are smart enough to go to college you are smart enough to figure out how to pay for college.Seems to me savings in 529’s is a signal to the college that you are willing to overpay for an education.
There are many new college experiences coming up as the cost of college has outstripped the value of many schools.
I enjoyed the conversation and we should be having more conversations with kids about the value of college,
Thanks for listening. I think this is an open conversation and will continue to evolve as the economy changes.